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Stabbed in the Heart(Baptism in the Holy Spirit)

Posted by appolus on May 27, 2008

 So what is there a desperate need of today? The power that the Apostles exercised before Pentecost? Or the power that they exercised after Pentecost? May the Spirit of the Lord fall upon His church and may we be endued with “Katanusso,” power, the power to penetrate the hard hearts of the lost and the dying .
STABBED IN THE HEART
 
 
I am writing about an experience that is genuinely confusing to a lot of Christians. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit as we read about in Acts. If we as a church do not experience this kind of power, then we are destined to be just another church. I have been a Christian now for 18 years, and have heard many testimonies and stories throughout the years on this experience. One example comes out time and time again and it is one that I can personally relate to. This “heat ,” or “warmth,” that comes into a person, through the top of their head and down through their body.
 
It is interesting that John the Baptist foretold that Jesus would Baptize His followers with fire and on the day of Pentecost there were tongues of fire above their heads. And now, two thousand years later, a common description of being Baptized in the Holy Spirit is the heat or the warmth that starts on the top of peoples heads. I have no real interest in speaking about tongues, I am a tongue speaker and I love to speak in my prayer language, but way to much has been made of this, the least of all the gifts. The Scriptures themselves asks the rhetorical question “Do all speak with tongues?” and of course the answer is no. So while tongues is a sign of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, it is not the definitive sign.
 
So, here is a question. Is signs and miracles dependent upon the Baptism of the Holy Spirit? Was there miracles and signs accomplished by the followers of Jesus prior to Pentecost? Of course the answer is yes. So, if Jesus does not allow His followers to leave Jerusalem until they are “endued with power from on High,” then it must be a different power that Jesus was talking about. How sad then, that in much of the Pentecostal movement today, their highest ambition is to see the kind of signs and wonders that was going on prior to Pentecost. We also know that signs and wonders are worked through people who do not even know Jesus, as testified to in Scriptures(“Depart from me you workers of iniquity for I never knew you .”)
 
Consider what A.W.Tozer says on this very subject…………………………..
 

Again, they had the power to work miracles, so that when they came back reciting the manifestations of their power, the Lord rebuked them for pride and told them they should be glad, rather, that their names were written in heaven. But He did not deny that they had exercised His power, for He knew they did. He gave it to them! Some teach that if you are filled with the Spirit, you will have miracles, forgetting that the disciples had the power of miracles before they were filled with the Spirit.

The power of the Holy Spirit is not necessary to make miracle workers. The power of the Holy Spirit is something infinitely higher, grander and more wonderful than that. They worked miracles before the Spirit ever came.

—Counselor, The
 
The power of the Holy Spirit is something infinitely higher, grander and more wonderful than that.”
Do you see what Tozer is saying? So it is a great sadness to me personally that a great majority of the Pentecostal churches spend so much time and effort and prayers praying to have the kind of church that would fit quite well into a pre- Pentecost world. If the disciples could not operate in this power without being overtook with pride, do we really believe that the modern Christian world is better than they? So, while signs and miracles will indeed follow the Disciples of the Lord, what is the power that they waited for in the upper room?
 
When the Lord was on the cross, In John 19:34 and His work was finished, we see that rather than break His legs, the soldiers who saw that He was already dead, “pierced,” His side instead. If we now go to Acts 2:37 we see that Peter has just came to the end of a speech that was one of the greatest ever given. He had just shared the Gospel with a crowd of thousands, and that same crowd could have easily torn him to pieces. The NKJV says that upon hearing these words they “were stabbed in the heart.” They were so convicted that they asked the Apostles what they must do. The word for “stabbed in the heart,” in Acts and “pierced,” in John comes from the same root Greek word , “nusso,” meaning to pierce. Now the interesting thing about the word used in Acts is that the Holy Spirit uses the word Katanusso to describe what the people felt when hearing the words of Peter. Katanusso means to pierce thourougly, or to agitate violently. It is a much stronger word than the word nusso used to describe what happened to the Lord with a spear.
 
So the words that Peter spoke when filled with the Holy Spirit were more violent than the action of someone being stabbed with a spear. This is the power of the Holy Spirit, this is the difference, this is what they had been waiting on. Now they were truly fishers of men.  And indeed, instead of the crowd ripping them to pieces, against all the odds, 3000 were added to the Church that day.
 
And so when Tozer writes “The power of the Holy Spirit is not necessary to make miracle workers. The power of the Holy Spirit is something infinitely higher, grander and more wonderful than that. They worked miracles before the Spirit ever came.”  This is what he meant.
 
 Now brothers and sisters, according to Barna, 92% of proffessing Christians have never saw anyone come to the Lord through their own personal sharing. Mega churches and churches that are bulging at the seams are not filled with new converts, they are filled with “church hoppers,” people from other churches.The unchurched remain unchurched and unreached. So what is there a desperate need of today? The power that the Apostles exercised before Pentecost? Or the power that they exercised after Pentecost? May the Spirit of the Lord fall upon His church and may we be endued with “Katanusso,” power, the power to penetrate the hard hearts of the lost and the dying .

21 Responses to “Stabbed in the Heart(Baptism in the Holy Spirit)”

  1. Good post. How vital the power of the Holy Spirit is in the life of the true disciple of Jesus.

  2. appolus said

    Amen brother, it is so vital. Thanks for dropping by, I appreciate the comment………Frank

  3. timbob said

    Greetings. John 16:8 comes to mind as I read this. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is so much deeper than seems to be commonly understood by many. It’s imperative to walk in the Spirit at all times and be filled to overflowing. This post places a lot of things in perspective. Thanks.

    have a blessed day in Jesus.

    timbob

  4. appolus said

    Amen Timbob, John 16:8 is a perfect Scripture to illustrate this truth. Some of the points I did not get into was that in all of the NT, we see perhaps just one “Christian,” healing(Peters mother-in-law) Any yet in todays modern church, the notion of miracles and healings seems to be the sign for them that the Holy Spirit has come in revival. It is, we are told, a method for convincing the world of the reality of Christ. Hmm 🙂 There is a whole post needed there to refute that idea :)Anyway, it is self-indulgence, self love versus love of the world………..Frank

  5. Kay said

    Hi there…just had to respond to #4 comment above since there were many “Christian” healings cited in the new testament…i.e., Peter and John in Acts 3: 1-11, Acts 5:16, Acts 14: 8-10, Acts 28: 8-9, etc. However, the points made above are not lost. Evidence of the Holy Spirit by signs seems to be sought by men in these times as of old. However, this “sign seeking” by men of the Holy Spirit is evidence that the essence of John 16:8 has fallen upon a heart that is yet perfected in Christ Jesus. Judgment of the heart precludes man’s knowing, without signs and wonders, that the Holy Spirit abides within. Once the heart has been judged, self dies, the Spirit of Christ is resurrected in the life, then the heart knows the Holy Spirit has come without any need for signs. Truly, this is all the work of God in his due time and order.

  6. appolus said

    Hi Kay…welcome sister, I appreciate your comments on the post. I think you may have missed the point or perhaps I was not to clear about it, probably the latter I was not saying that there are no miracles in the New Testament, God forbid, the New Testemant is replete with the supernatural and miracles. No, what I was saying was that there is no evidence that “Christians,” were the recipients of healing miracles, perhaps only Peter’s mother in law. I personally understand this, and what we are seeing now in the modern Western church is perahaps the reason why. It has devolved into self-indulgence. “Christians,” seek out certain kinds of “revival,” because they are seeking a healing for themselves. They are so obsessed with this present world, that when a diagonosis comes from a Doctor of almost certain death, they panic. Every single infirmity requires correction for the modern day believer. Just as the world has a pill for everything, the modern believer would like an incantation for everything. And, there are plenty of peddlers around that will fill this vaccum and fill their coffers at the same time. If a man is sick, then let him have his own elders pray for him and anoint him and he will be saved. Saved form what you might ask? Ah, well there is another post Thanks for dropping by Kay and may the Lord Jesus bless you………..Frank

  7. Kay said

    Hi Appolus…thanks for the clarification. However, the scriptures that I cited earlier should still be visited as evidence that many Christians were “healed of sickness.” Also, it is pretty clear that they were healed because of their belief. Arguably, you may say that the persons in the scripture verses cited were not technically referred to as “Christians.” Should this be the case, I’d point out that they were believers and we are told that it was their faith in Christ Jesus that made them whole. While I realize that the greater point you were making is that today’s Christians primarily seek healing through a variety of vehicles for personal consumption/gain/continuance and not to the Glory of God, it is important not to overlook the fact that most of the healing of sickness in scripture, and there are many instances cited before and after Pentecost, was in large part due to the faith in Christ (and his apostles) of those healed. So while there may not be as much healing of “Christian” sickness today due to the “praying amiss” (see James 4:3), there were in fact, many healing miracles of which Christians were the recipients in the New Testament. My belief as to the reason why there was so much more healing in the New Testament than we see now is due to the dispensations of times. The New Testament Christians believed and were healed. Today’s Christians are unashamedly enamored with self-gratification as you have stated and this really is a sign of unbelief.

    Thank you for sharing and your website.

  8. appolus said

    Hi Kay. I see we may have a disagreement 🙂 Thats fine, we can agree to disagree. Good people often come to different conclusions. I would simply restate that there is no Biblical evidence to suggest that those healed were followers of Jesus. One would have to make an argument from silence, which you are entitled to do, unless of course you have specific Scriptures to say that they were followers of Jesus. I accept that this is your opinion and I appreciate your opinion. Let me just address the Scriptures that you did mention. In Acts 3:1-11 we see the man that was laid at the gate. There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that this man was a believer, in fact we have to assume that the Apostles had passed him many times before. In Acts 5:16 we see the Scriptures address the people that were healed as the “multitude,’ again nothing to assume that these people were disciples. In Acts 14:8-10 Paul and Baranabas had just arrived at this place, no Christian had been there before, in fact the city they had just fled from pronounced them as “Jupiter and Mercury,” harldy the actions of a people who would rather die that “pronounce Caeser as a God.” No, they were clearly not disciples. And lastly we see Acts 28:8-9. This harldy needs any explaining Publius was an offical on an Island that knew nothing of Christianity. Whether its the leper or the blind man at the pool or the crippled man that tuned Jesus in or the lepers that did not even come back and thank Jesus, they all are similiar. Now, do not get me wrong, I absolutely believe that Jesus is still in the miracle working business, just not as a means of self-indulgence, or a magic pill for all ailments or as a means to win people to Him(indeed no one did more miracles than Jesus and He was still rejected by the “world.”) I myself am a recipient of just such a miracle. You can read about it on this blog either in my testimony “The Valley of Achor,” or in “Anatomy of a Miracle.” These can be found by putting it in the search box. As for dispensation Kay, that is a whole other post :)……………..brother Frank

  9. Kay said

    Hi Appolus…thanks for your response. I agree, I don’t think we’re quite connecting on this discussion…but it is enough to know that you believe and have given your life to Jesus Christ. He will guide us both into all Truth. Thanks again.

  10. appolus said

    HI Kay….agreeing to disagree is a sign of spiritual maturity….May the Lord bless you………Frank

  11. […] return. At Pentecost, Peter spoke with “Katanusso,” power, this is the power to ”stab the hearers in the heart.” The word itself means to “violently agitate, to penetrate. This power was so radical […]

  12. Nina said

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  13. David. said

    No one, no one at all, without exception is a ‘Christian,’ that is to say an anointed one, a child of God, reborn, a new creation, or “In Christ -Jesus,” see John 14 “At that time you will know,” Romans 8 “If Christ is not in you……none of His” – until they have sought and received in good and sincere loving faith, baptism with The Holy Spirit, via the laying on of hands, and witnessed to by the God give gift of encouragement and witness of speaking in tongues, and yet many claim to be Christians apart from this relationship with God by which He returns to dwell within us, and empower us, we becoming His temple, once being alienated from Him by sin, able to be reborn by His Grace, grace that allows us to approach Him, seeking forgiveness and rebirth via our relationship with Him, and yet most Christians, as they call themselves, and are encouraged to call themselves, both reject and mock this baptism by which we are reborn as the children of God that they claim to be – so much has been stolen from the church, the people, it is so sad, heart breaking, yet – “Those who seek Me, find Me,” but if they have not heard, how can they believe, we must make the truth of The Gospel known, sound the trumpet clearly, enable them to make a righteous choice, and then leave it to the individual to choose God.

    • appolus said

      I agree with almost all of what you say, apart from all speaking with tongues. 1Cor 12:30 I would say refutes that. I myself have this gift, but I firmly believe that you can be baptized in the Holy Spirit and not speak in tongues…….bro Frank

      • David. said

        When Paul said “Do all speak in tongues etc,” it was presented as a statement of – yes do all etc – and that can be seen by reading around the the chapters and their contents, in which to present “Do all etc” as a question – would make no sense, as it would mean that Paul was directly contradicting Jesus Himself, and Scripture, and Paul simply would not have done so – “We know – know- that they have received the Holy Spirit just as we have, for we heard them speaking in tongues.” We should put just as much emphasis on speaking in tongues today, as Peter did then, nothing at all has changed, with of course the exception of the ever growing corruption of God’s Word, as mentioned many times, in many places in Scripture, but the book of Joel speaks volumes to us today – God’s Word has been stolen from us, corrupted, until little of The Word, and It’s fruits, remain active in the house of God, His Church.

        Simple punctuation has led to people claiming that “Not all speak in tongues,” which came from “Do all speak in tongues,” that was presented to us as do? when it should been understood as – yes do! – but do all these things orderly, respectfully, worshipfully, not in competition with each other, but to bring honour to God, and to build each other up, to encourage, teach, and nurture each other as brothers and sisters within the True Church, the reborn, Spirit-filled Church of God’s people.

        Do come in, do sit down, do help yourself – we understand them all to mean – yes do! – a statement, not a question, and yet when Paul says yes do all speak in tongues, but do so in an orderly way, people have chosen to accuse Paul of saying that not all speak in tongues, that one piece of Scripture has been manipulated to undermine the clear witness as given to us by Jesus Himself, Peter, and many many witnesses, of old, and present.

        As an aside – it is the Spirit-filled Church of God, those who do accept His True signs and wonders, witnesses and encouragements, the True Church, the True children of God, that have been under attack by the false signs and wonders such as the ‘Toronto Blessing,’ and false ‘Binding’ and ‘Loosing,’ ‘Hyper Grace,’ ‘Prosperity Gospel,’ pride and the love of money, etc. by which many have once again fallen away from God – I have cried and cried to see what has happened and is happening to the Church, though we talk of God, and say “Lord, Lord,” we have wandered far away from His narrow path – narrow, because it allows no deviation, no change, no corruption of the original – change not one jot, it need not change, it has not changed, it will not change.

        Where has all the Truth gone, why do we rest happily with untruths, who will help those who do yearn for Truth – Joel.

        We know [understand it to be true] that they have received the Holy Spirit just as we have, because we heard them ……………………………………………

        If Christ is not in us, we are none of His – at that time [in the upper room] you will know…………..John 14. I have a baptism with which to be baptized – with which you are to be baptized. You must be born again – please tell people, God will meet us in His Word, it will not be devoid or empty.

        How can a man believe if he does not first hear – tell it out, loudly and clearly, please, tell people, nothing else at all matters, if people are not in Christ Jesus, it is the starting point, the foundation stone of the Christian life – grace, forgiveness and rebirth, the foundation stone upon which all else is built.

        David.

        • appolus said

          I disagree with your opening statement and I base my disagreement on the clear context of the chapter that the verse comes from. It is a rhetorical question Paul is asking and the clear answer is no. Nevertheless we can agree to disagree. Go in peace brother, all men must be fully persuaded in what they believe. …….bro Frank.

          • David. said

            Then the “But” would be entirely redundant, meaningless, yet speaks volumes if permitted to. God shows no partiality, it is important that we remember that; I do not speak in tongues because I am somehow better, more mature, more important, more ‘chosen’ than anyone else, I am not – I have a gift to be both a witness to others and to myself (it is a most incredible witness to the individual – remember the tower at Babel, God by The power of His Holy Spirit altered their language – it is the same act of God again) of speaking in tongues, has God forsaken those who do not, leaving them without this witness, no, not at all, however, does God throw Spiritual gifts around carelessly, as if of little value, to all and sundry, no, He doesn’t, The Holy Spirit that once dwelt among the Israelites, in the holy of holies, at the Ark of the Covenant, it was deadly to be in His presence with the wrong attitude, and yet now, we apparently control Him, and throw Him around, handing Him out to people, as if giving sweets out to people, therefore we have found ourselves in a position where people are led to believe they have received from us, yes from us – forgetting that God can act as He wishes to, and refuse to give, and withhold His Spirit from anyone He chooses to, who approaches Him wrongly – leading everyone who comes forward for baptism, to believe they have received from God, where they have or not, because we have destroyed the witness God has given to us as an attesting sign – if it doesn’t attest for all, then it doesn’t attest at all, as we can just say God didn’t give me that gift, so we rubbish the entire thing, the entire witness, it becomes meaningless.

            Repentance, loving obedience to be baptized in water as an outward witness to our sincere appeal to God for His grace, acknowledging our wrongdoings, our sins, admitting we have sinned, and acknowledging our need for God’s forgiveness, then seeking to be baptized with His Holy Spirit to indwell us, so being born-again via the anointing by The indwelling Holy Spirit, through Whom we become His temple, children of God, born by His Spirit, His Will, attested to, shown to be true, shown to have genuinely taken place by, God given signs attesting to the event – God does say no, He does refuse, we are even told that our prayers can be a stench beneath His nostrils, yet leaders simply say believe that you have received – muddy waters – God is not the author of confusion.

            The remnant will consist only of those with sincere love and faithful obedience.

            If it doesn’t attest for all, then it doesn’t attest at all.

  14. appolus said

    It is self explanatory David. Here is what the plain teaching of Scripture says…….

    But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.(1Co 12:7-11)

    Note the words “”For to one is given.” And then “to another.” There is a diversity of gifts, and each person baptized in the Holy Spirit has at least one gift, sometimes more according to the will and the wishes of the Holy Spirit who gives not only the gifts to whoever, but also the measure of the gift, and that would also include tongues. Lets agree to disagree. I am not a novice and I am assuming that you are not either, so we are each persuaded on what we believe, therefore let the Lord Himself be our judge, for we are His servants. God bless you brother…………………bro Frank

    • David. said

      I personally believe, and have done so for many years now, believe we have completely misunderstood this letter from Paul – it is said that the Holy Spirit gives gifts as He determines, and we have mistakenly, in my opinion, assumed Paul is saying that theses gifts are fixed, and set, for each individual, even though Paul very clearly says “Eagerly desire the greater gifts,” are we to say no Paul, what nonsense, we cannot choose or desire what gift is given, The Holy Spirit determines.

      The Holy Spirit does determine, indeed He does, and not only determine, but empower also, every second of every day, in every situation He determines and empowers.

      But think of it this way – let us say that one Sunday at church, Bill brings forward a word of knowledge, it is given by God obviously, and given to Bill by God as he read a passage in his Bible that the Holy Spirit used to add to the understanding of the church, that they would grow in their knowledge of Him, His will, and His Kingdom. However, the next time they meet together as the church, Bill is unable to attend, so God, via His Holy Spirit, uses Wendy to bring forward a word of knowledge to continue teaching and leading the church, the following week, Bill is back, but The Holy Spirit uses Jerry, then Sandra to bring forth a word of knowledge, Becky brings forth a message in tongues, and John interprets – I do not believe for one minute that Paul was saying the gifts are set hard and fast upon certain people, not at all, and it is certainly not my experience within the church either – “Eagerly desire the greater gifts,” if we feel we have to judge them, people love to mock tongues, and loudly declare that it is the “Least of the gifts,” albeit one they do not have, and many claim to be a teacher, prophet, apostle, and as you well know, we have plenty of them, causing plenty of harm, yet that is what they claim to be, because they can.

      To hold an office within the church, is very different to manifesting gifts of The Holy Spirit – any sincere child of God can manifest the gifts of The Holy Spirit, as The Spirit determines on any given day for any given purpose – Jesus didn’t say we would all hold an office within the church, He did however say that those who believe Him, will do even greater things than He has done – whatever you ask in My Name – Paul would never ever have contradicted this. We are told to pray in the privacy of our own room, not to make a show of our prayers, yet many churches make a great show of their prayers, including in tongues.

      The Holy Spirit brings conviction to lead us to pray in tongues, prophesy, word of knowledge, pray for healing, teach, work miracles etc – remember that where ever two or three meet together in My Name, there I am in the midst of them – to empower the works – whatever you ask in My Name………….

      Speaking in tongues is an astounding miracle! We may like to call it the least, whilst claiming greater gifts, but not holding the least attesting miraculous sign, but it doesn’t sit well with me, it is not Scripturally true and accurate. We are told to test ourselves, to know that we are in the Spirit, how do we do that, without the attesting sign given us by God, brought to us by His Spirit- a man who speaks in tongues edifies himself – how, why – because it is an attesting sign to us ourselves also – a huge, massive sign of the Truth of God, His Power, the death and resurrection of Jesus, and the coming upon us and empower, of the Holy Spirit, the power of Whom created all things – wow – yet we say least – that doesn’t mean of little value, it simply highlights the value of God’s Wisdom to those within the church, not the world, the church.

      Baptism is the starting point, but wisdom sustains us.

      Yes do all work miracles (Jesus said we would), yes do all have gifts of healing (Jesus said we would), yes do all speak in tongues (Jesus said we would) yes do all interpret.

      Did Paul really disagree with and undermine the Words of Jesus, did Paul really mislead and corrupt the church, giving people endless excuses for why they do little or nothing that Jesus said we should be doing in His Name, by The Holy Spirit – whatever you ask in My Name – this is why we are such poor witnesses for Him.

      All of the Spiritual gifts mentioned by Paul, can be manifested in and through all true Christians, as The Holy Spirit determines, as needed, where needed – Jesus said so, and Paul has not contradicted Him.

      We know they received The Holy Spirit, just as we have, for we heard them………………..

      David.

      • David. said

        I forgot to say, Frank – I used to work in agriculture for many years, and I now erect steel framed buildings for agriculture and industry – I am nothing special.

      • appolus said

        I never said that anything was hard and fast. There can be many with the same gift within any gathering and it is the Holy Spirit who chooses who to use. I said all do not speak in tongues and in my opinion, there is not Scriptures to suggest otherwise, quite the opposite in fact based on the Scripture I shared with you. Not sure why you would want to pursue it David. I have said we can agree to disagree and acknowledge that neither of us are novices. We should be fully persuaded in what we believe and you obviously are. I think to pursue it further with me would just be vanity David. People will disagree with you, on many subjects and of course you are not infallible, as I am not. So, I wont pursue this subject further but I will say God bless you brother as you serve God with passion………………bro Frank

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