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Have you penetrated the veil? Scribe or Prophet?

Posted by appolus on September 16, 2009

 

 

Hearts that are “fit to break” with love for the Godhead
are those who have been in the Presence and have looked with
opened eye upon the majesty of Deity. Men of the breaking
hearts had a quality about them not known to or understood by
common men. They habitually spoke with spiritual authority.
They had been in the Presence of God and they reported what
they saw there. They were prophets, not scribes: for the scribe
tells us what he has read, and the prophet tells us what he has
seen.
The distinction is not an imaginary one. Between the scribe
who has read and the prophet who has seen, there is a
difference as wide as the sea. We are today overrun with
orthodox scribes; but the prophets, where are they? The hard
voice of the scribe sounds over evangelicalism, but the Church
waits for the tender voice of the saint who has penetrated the
veil and has gazed with inward eye upon the Wonder that is God.

HAVE YOU PENETRATED THE VEIL? SCRIBE OR PROPHET?

 

Do you often wonder why some men seem learned and speak and teach from knowledge of the Word and others speak from what they have saw. Now what they see does not contradict the Word, no it expounds it, yet it is beyond the scribe. Tozer writes this……..

Hearts that are “fit to break” with love for the Godhead
are those who have been in the Presence and have looked with
opened eye upon the majesty of Deity. Men of the breaking
hearts had a quality about them not known to or understood by
common men. They habitually spoke with spiritual authority.
They had been in the Presence of God and they reported what
they saw there. They were prophets, not scribes: for the scribe
tells us what he has read, and the prophet tells us what he has
seen.
The distinction is not an imaginary one. Between the scribe
who has read and the prophet who has seen, there is a
difference as wide as the sea. We are today overrun with
orthodox scribes; but the prophets, where are they? The hard
voice of the scribe sounds over evangelicalism, but the Church
waits for the tender voice of the saint who has penetrated the
veil and has gazed with inward eye upon the Wonder that is God.
… A. W. Tozer (1897-1963), The Pursuit of God [1948],
Christian Publications, 1982, p. 40

So the question is, have you penetrated the veil and gazed with inward eye upon the wonder that is God ?. For those who have penetrated the veil , theyhave a three dimensional knowledge of God and those who have not have only a flat two dimensional knowledge of God, that which they have gleaned from learning and self-effort. The man who has penetrated the veil knows both the awe fullness of God and He also knows the majesty of God.

Now, how do we determine the scribe from the Prophet? Are there identifying characteristics that we can look at and discern? Well we know that the Bible tells us that all of our righteousness is as filthy rags. We know that Scriptures teach us that all have fallen short of the Glory of God. We know that outside of Christ all is darkness and death. All of this would be common knowledge to both the Scribe and the Prophet, they would both agree that this is man’s state. In fact, we even see in Scripture, a scene from heaven itself as a mighty prophet stands before God, lets see what his reaction is for it will give us a clue.

Isa 6:5 Then I said, Woe is me! For I am undone; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, Jehovah of Hosts.

You see, all at the same time Isaiah sees his own state and then He sees the King of Glory. It is fire from the alter that cleanses the Prophet and enables him to continue and listen to God and then receive his commission. Without the fire from the alter the Prophet would have never gotton past his own lowly state. And anyone who comes into the presence of God immediately knows their own lowly state. That is why men of the OT fell flat on their faces in the presence of God, as do men today. Not slain in the spirit, so called, made popular in many Pentecostal churches, no men fall to their faces trembling to their very core in the awesome presence of an almighty God. So if fire from the alter cleanses the prophet and enables him to continue, what does blood from the alter of Calvary do to those who are covered by it? Was not that the very purpose of Calvary? Reconciliation to God the Father, Jesus made the way behind the veil, he penetrated the enmity between man and God. Now, according to the Scriptures, we can come boldly before the throne of grace.(Heb 4:16)

Yes, we will still know our lowliness, but we will lift up our eyes and see Jesus and know why we are there. The scribe, who is not covered by the blood, can only every know the vile part. He has no coal, he has no blood, he only has knowledge, and that leads him to focus with the intimate knowledge that he does have, the intimate knowledge of his own sin. So he gazes upon his sin and his sin is magnified. And ultimately out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks (Mat 12:34) The scribe is under the Old Covenant and is condemned, the Prophet is under the New Testament and is redeemed. So the Scribe preaches condemnation, the Prophet preaches reconciliation. The Scribe’s words condemn and enslave, the Prophets words are designed for freedom of the captives.

Now the Prophet, as he comes away from the presence of God will have a heightened awareness of his own ungodliness, sin in his own flesh, but this will be overwhelmed by the glory of God. When a man has seen the King, he understands his own state, yet the mercy and grace that he found before the throne enables him to finish the commission that God has given him because his focus is not on his own sin, his focus is on Jesus. He will long to be away from this world, not because he hates the world, for in fact he loves it more as God does , but because of his heightened awareness of sin itself. You see, the greater the revelation of God, the greater the awareness of sin, the greater the desire to go and be with God , just as the Old Covenant of Laws was a revelation of sin, which led to a magnification of sin which led to despair and a knowledge that one needed a Saviour.

The man who has penetrated the veil hates sin. It makes him sick. He longs for the time when sin will be no more. He loses , piece by piece, all desire to even be in this world apart from fulfilling his commission to God. The things of this world are meaningless to the one who has seen the King. Their only desire will be to see God glorified. One of their greatest passions and zeal will be to refute the Hypocrite and Pharisee because to them, mis-representing God is worse than not believing God.(Rev 3:16-18)

The Scribe only every gets to the heart of himself, if even that. Now one must journey to the center of ones heart, this is true. Every spiritual person takes this journey on. They discover, much as Paul does in Romans 7, that at their very core they are wretched, but if that is where the journey ends, then one has decided to take up shop in a pigsty. Think about the prodigal son. Consider his journey in more of a spiritual setting. He takes what is his(we all have free will) and he sets out and discovers just how vile he is and where that leads to. Yet, the greatest part of this story by Jesus is not about the fact that he ends up in a pigsty, its about the fact that he looks around, discovers his true self, his true condition, and then seeks to be reconciled with his Father. He gets up out of that pigsty and goes and presents himself to his Father, and of course, even while he was a long way of, his Father sees him, which means He has been watching and waiting on him, and his Father runs to him. It took brokenness and humiliation for the son to be reconciled with his Father.

So, the Scribe lives in the pigsty and bemoans his state, the Prophet gets up and makes his way to the Father. The Prophet teaches about the way back to God, the Scribe teaches about how dirty the pigsty is. The Prophet rejoices loudly at the grace and mercy to be found if one takes a certain road, the Scribe is stuck in the pigsty because his eyes are set on himself. Today, the prophets and priests of God understand the true state of the world and of the church. One portion of the church is blind to this, another is stuck looking at his own sin. If you only know about your sin, then its time for you to seek the King. The true mark of one who has seen Jesus is the joy that they have. Yes they despair at the state of all things that are without God, and the rise of sin, but their heart is full of gladness. They live in victory. Their eyes are blinded to the things of this world, they only have eyes for Jesus. They have a “Spirit of wisdom and revelation in the Knowledge of Him.” (Eph 1:17) Their eyes are opened and enlightened(Eph 1:18) They have a hope and know the riches of His glory and they know that as adopted children of God. That they have an inheritance, guaranteed and sealed by the Holy Spirit(Eph 1:18) And they have experienced the exceeding greatness of God’s power(Eph 1:19 ) They were dead and now they are alive (Eph 2:1) They know that they have been raised with Christ and sit with Him in the heavenlies (Eph 2:6) And they know that they are rich, rich in mercy and grace and rich in Spiritual blessings(Eph 1:3) This is the abiding marks of those who have penetrated the veil.

9 Responses to “Have you penetrated the veil? Scribe or Prophet?”

  1. cindyinsd said

    Thanks, Frank

    This is great. I’ve printed it off to spend some more time looking through it, and I’ll probably share it with the church tomorrow if the HS allows. By His grace, we can all walk into the Holy of Holies through the veil that was torn–His flesh. What love! What an amazing price He paid for us.

    Love, Cindy

  2. W.E. Smith said

    Thank you my dear brother, and a hearty Amen for making this distinction between the scribe and the prophet. I dare say for many years I was content to pursue the ideal of the scribe, filling my head (soul) with theology and every other “good” thing outside the veil. Yet as you remind us, the “best” is within the veil, for here is where the Lord is in all His fullness and life. To have a prophet’s heart and a prophet’s eyes – this is the thing brethren; this is where the life of the Lord in this wilderness journey really gets inside us. If you don’t mind, I might add a couple of related posts that affirm much of what you are saying here –

    http://livingwalk.wordpress.com/2008/12/09/to-taste-and-see/

    http://livingwalk.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/the-heart-of-a-prophet/

    Your point that “mis-representing God is worse than not believing God” is a powerful statement and I have been considering this in the spirit much since I read it. We must recall that the golden calf in the wilderness was not another god, but a profane idol repenting the Lord – “Behold your god” the people cried! We are witnessing the very same thing today in the body of Christ, where the many cannot simply wait for the Lord (Moses in the type) to return, so they are forming their own representations of Him in their own image and imagination. Lord help us and keep us in this hour!

    Thank you for calling His beloved back to Himself by friend, and for your many words and messages of loving exhortation from outside the walls – this is greatly needed in this time, as the Days of Noah are upon us and rising up to the very nostrils of the Creator.

    Wayne
    http://www.livingwalk.com

    • appolus said

      HI brother,

      Thank you for dropping by. The heart of a prophet or a priest dwells in the presence of Almighty God. Nothing should ever deter us from communing with Him. It is more important than life itself, for what is life outside of His presence? What is learning if it takes the place of communion? What is a vision if the pursuit of it leads us away from Him? What is our calling if in the commission of our calling we take our eyes from Him? Only as we gaze on Him do we move in the power of His Spirit. What is revival even? Is not revival the overflow, the unintended consequence, the by-product of an encounter with the living God? Its not revival that we seek, its God Himself and whatever flows from that place. God Himself is our “exceeding great reward,” and revival is what comes of an awareness of the conscious presence of God. Oh that men would seek God Himself and nothing else, not as a technique to bring revival, but a genuine desire to come into the presence of the giver, and the gift that follows is revival. It seems that when God is sought and glorified for no other purpose than that, then the conscious awareness of His presence falls and we have what we call revival…………Frank

  3. timbob said

    Good morning. There is so much here that I don’t know where to even begin to comment. Something hit me, however, that’s been on my heart for some time. When the prophets of the old testament came into the presence of the Lord, they fell on their faces; seeing how completely undone they were. It’s the same understanding that John received in Revelation 5:2-4. In a moment, he saw the full extent of how unworthy all of us are to stand before the Lord and he “wept much” at this revelation. (Praise God for the words in verse 5)

    This form of encounter will forever alter a person; even one who has been born of the Spirit for years. The reason that I mention it is that today there seems to be a blatant irreverence for God. Even in many Christian circles, there’s often a form of godliness and in some cases, a manufactured appearance of being spiritual. Yet to be so in awe of God that it all but leaves one speechless, seems to be in short supply these days. There’s no fear of God; not in the world and sadly, not in many of the churches either.

    Thanks so much for a most encouraging post. Blessings always in Jesus name.

    timbob

    • appolus said

      Your are so right brother, such an ungodly irreverance for the things that are Holy. Evagelicalism in all its many forms is about to be washed away I believe. There has been a mixing of the world with the church and the result is a Golden calf. Oh that mens eyes would be open to how short their lives actually are and that this life is but a vapor. It should make the strongest bravest man tremble and weep. It may not in this world, but it certainly will in the next. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom……….Frank

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  5. Elisabeth said

    Thank you for the challenging words re `Scribe or Prophet?`
    Dead letter or Living Word? Satisfied to feed on the writings of others or hungering and thirsting for the Living Bread Who cometh down from Heaven and the Living Waters which will forever quench our thirst? It may be excellent to study and read the works of scribes but there is a more excellent way! Do we want our intellect satisfied and our knowledge increased or do we want to seek and to find that pearl of great price for ourselves, that we may be filled to overflowing with Heaven`s very essence for a dry and parched land? The choice is ours.Browsing the bookshelves or entering within the Veil to the very throne of the Living God.How wonderful to read the accounts of men and women who have stepped away from the clanging cymbols of religiosity and lain aside all but the one earnest pursuit – to accept the invitation to the very presence of the living God! BUT we may experience this glorious encounter for ourselves.Freely we are invited and all else will be abandoned if our cry has been for God to make us willing in the day of His power, for Him to empty our scribe-filled hearts and replace with God-given hunger and thirst after righteousness.

    Still!.. we may keep our bookshelves well dusted, and anyway… it is easy and enjoyable to pick up a book and read ABOUT the ways of God, as we hold on to the accustomed writings of the scribes.. well,after all, they have been a big part of our lives..full of excellent writings and wonderful accounts and expositions… but WHAT COMPARISON WITH HEART TO HEART ENCOUNTER WITH THE LIVING GOD?
    There is no fault in reading ABOUT the Word of God but nothing replaces feeding on the Living Word Who alone satisfies the hungry soul.

    Many have read about the two elderly infirm ladies in a humble Scottish home, who laid everything aside to enter within the Veil to carry their petitions to the very heart of the living God. The only thing not dust covered was the Bible.God responded to the cries of His people and came down in what we call The Lewis Awakening or Revival.

    It is excellent to read about past Revivals but let us enter within the Veil to implore the living God to come down in almighty deluge upon this dry and parched land. An open invitation to each one of us.

    • appolus said

      Amen Elisabeth, I could not agree more. I had just left this comment on one of my other posts but thought it appropriate response to what you just wrote……….

      The remnant will definately be “led,” by no name servants of the Living God. A group of people who are hungry and thirsty and zealous for God to get all the glory and to build His kingdom and not their own.They will be sensitive to the Spirit, they will be men and woman who “know,” thier Lord, who have lived and walked through the valley, not once , not twice but have been valley dwellers. To look at the life of Paul for instance and we see a man beset by trials and even desparing unto death, yet never staying down, always able to put his life and his trials into a persepctive based on his “knowledge,” of God, based on His encounters with the Living Lord. And because he knew something of the glory to come, because he had caught glimpses of His majesty, it ruined him for this life. He longed to be away with the lover of his soul. He longed to go to that place that he had caught glimpses of in the moments he stood in the shechinah glory of the living God. This burning within his heart, this standing in the manifest glory, this was the reason that all of these trials could be described as mere “rubbish,” in comparison to what lay ahead. Oh that the priesthood would once again take hold of eternity. To see the Lord high and lifted up, to see the temple filled with the train of His robe. Oh that we would cry out “my eyes have seen the King” Cry out tonight saints, cry out “Oh that I would answer the knocking of the door,” and the door opens and behold the throne-room of the almighty and we fall on our faces and we cry “Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God almighty.” And we look around and as far as the eye can see, there are saints from every tribe, every tongue, every nation, swaying as one, as a wheat field flows in the wind like the waves of the sea, as they are moved by the Spirit of the Living God. Yes brothers ans sisters, one moment in His throne room, one moment when He steps down, is better than to live a thousand years of mere life………brother Frank

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