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The Vastness of God and how He can be Known

Posted by appolus on March 12, 2008

In His presence I am changed, In His presence I have fullness of Joy, In His presence mysteries are revealed, In His presence I am healed, In His presence, offenses melt away like wax, In His presence I experience eternity, In His presence is the essence of Hope, In His presence I dwell in power, In His presence the crossed wires of my dysfunctional life are uncrossed. In His presence I forgive. In His presence I forget. In His presence I count my brother and sister in Christ higher than I count myself. And of course, in His presence there is fullness of Joy. And since I am still in the flesh, in His presence I abide under the shadow of His wings, and even that shadow is brighter than a thousand suns.


Brother Tozer writes, in “The Attributes of God,”…

I speak often of a little book called The Revelation of the Divine Love written by a woman by the name of Julian six hundred years ago. One day as she prayed she had a little experience, and here’s what it was. She said, “I saw a very small object as large as a hazelnut.”

When I was a girl on the farm we had hazelnuts, and hazelnuts as we knew them were about the size of a large marble, no larger than that. She said she saw this little tiny object, and she asked, “What might this be?” And something in her heart said, “This is all that is made; this is all that is made.” This little tiny hazelnut-sized affair is all that is made. I want you to think about this with me: “This is all that is made.” And again…

The great French philosopher and mystic mathematician, Pascal, said this: “We are halfway between immensity and that which is infinitesimally small.” He said you will find worlds beyond worlds out in space. Our solar system moves around another solar system.

And that solar system moves around another solar system, and so on into infinite vastness. Then, he said, if you turn the other way, you will find little worlds within little worlds going down—the molecule, the atom, the electron and the proton, down into infinitesimal smallness

Then there is space. I don’t think space is a thing; I think it is just a way we have of accounting for different positions in the vast universe. We call it distance. We know they don’t measure it. If it’s the moon they say 250,000 miles or if it’s the sun they say 93 million miles.

But after that they start talking in light years. They say that there are bodies millions of light years away—say 10 million just to get a start. So if you want to know how far it is from earth to that body I’m talking about, you multiply 5 trillion, 862 billion, 484 million by 10 million. Doesn’t that stun you? It makes my head ache! Seen over against this, you and I are terribly small……………The Attributes of God

It is obvious that to say that God is vast, is a clear understatement. Its all that we can do because it reaches to the very outer limits of our understanding and intelligence just to say that He is vast. The most intelligent man that every lived could only ever say that God is vast and that would be the end of it, for as vast as God , we are equivalently small.

We might as well expect our pet cat to understand the workings of a 747 Jumbo Jet. That cat, and all its feline friends would have as much chance of constructing a 747 as all of humanity collectively would of even coming close to understanding God. All the universes that exist, everything that is, does not contain God, He contains them.

Yet here is a startling Scripture…….Ephesians 3:17-18 (KJV)
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

We can “know,” the love of Christ which passes knowledge. How can one “know,” that which is beyond knowledge? And not only know this God, but we may be filled with all His fullness!!!!! What? How could that be? Did we not just describe a God that is so beyond our understanding that we do not even have the words adequate enough to describe our lack of knowledge?

Yet here the Scriptures are telling us that we can know this remarkable mystery, that we might be filled by the fullness of God, a fullness that all the universes that exist cannot contain for He contains them. This is a remarkable promise from God to His people. He will allow Himself to be known. How is it that one can “know ,” Him like this.

I am sure you would agree that if we knew Him like that , that it would change everything. Not a head knowledge, for we know that is an impossibility. It cannot be learned, it cannot be studied , it cannot be bought, it cannot be shared, it can only be experienced.

If we are to “know,” the fullness, to be rooted and grounded in His love so that we may know all that there is to know of His love, then we must follow Him to the cross. It was “For this reason I bow my knee to the Father, of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

You see, Jesus had a wonderful ministry, yet for Him to fulfill the Fathers plan then He had to come to Gethsemane. Oh the struggle and the agony, one will never know. Yet we too, at some point in our Christianity will come to our own Gethsemane. This is where absolute surrender will be asked of us. Are we, will we be willing to die to ourselves and commit ourselves totally to God and His will? God would have us all to come into that place.

Abraham, well down the path of his walk with God came to the mount, and was asked to sacrifice his son, the son of promise. If you think that Abraham skipped up the hill without a care saying “ah, God will raise him up anyway,” if you think that was the context of his thoughts can I put it to you that you just have not lived long enough or been called to that place of surrender. It is one thing to know something in your head, its quite another thing to live it out.

So brothers and sisters, are you ready to live for Him completely? Are you ready to only get your joy from Him? That all your contentment flows from Him? That all of your peace flows from Him. There is a revolution coming, a reformation of His church is coming and the Lord will be doing some separating and it will be the call that will separate us. He never compels any of us to do anything, He calls. Are you at a place that you are willing to lose everything for Him? Your job? Your reputation? All that gives you pleasure? Your pride? Your ego? Your place in society? Your place in the church?

I have come to a point in my own life where if I cant move forward in His presence then I just want Him to take me home.I have seen and walked in the futility of “life,”(as a Christian mind you) and there is nothing in this life that I want. I prayed the Moses prayer and told the Lord that the only way I want to move forward is if He is with me. I fast every week and I do it for selfish reasons, to come into His presence.

I think it all boils down to being in His presence or seeking His presence. I think that should be our permanent state. I know that sounds too simple, but I believe that this is the essence of our lives in Christ. I think that as a church we should always be seeking to come into His presence, it should be foremost in everything we do.

For God is not powerful, He is power. God does not have authority, He is authority. If I am in Him, in His presence, then I am moving and abiding in power and authority, it automatically comes with being in His presence.

In His presence I am changed, In His presence I have fullness of Joy, In His presence mysteries are revealed, In His presence I am healed, In His presence, offenses melt away like wax, In His presence I experience eternity, In His presence is the essence of Hope, In His presence I dwell in power, In His presence the crossed wires of my dysfunctional life are uncrossed. In His presence I forgive. In His presence I forget. In His presence I count my brother and sister in Christ higher than I count myself. And of course, in His presence there is fullness of Joy. And since I am still in the flesh, in His presence I abide under the shadow of His wings, and even that shadow is brighter than a thousand suns.

And when I necessarily come out of that presence(oh that I would dwell there forever) then I take a small portion with me, a portion of change, a portion of joy, a sense of His mystery, a portion of healing, I love more than I am offended because I care less about myself,my hope is increased, my knowledge of eternity and the eternal destination of my soul is greater, and I am less dysfunctional and more like Him. Then I pass on a small part of that to those I encounter and God is glorified . And I am encouraged and I begin again to hunger and thirst for that place and attempt to do whatever to come into that place again. I am totally addicted to the presence of God and it is my one and only motivation to even live.

Just as an aside, in the last year I have “suffered,” the loss of the last vestiges of what would bring me pleasure. The thought of a grandchild(no longer a possibility, at least in the natural)lost all desire to travel(a thing that I always loved to do) my wee dog died, and the culmination I think was to experience major rejection when I traveled to Scotland from the people who are nearest and dearest to me(perhaps the greatest sting of all)

Yet, I count these losses as something that is light and momentary, as rubbish, in comparison to the glories of heaven. Surely we get a glimpse of heaven as we dwell at the foot of the cross? The cross is a place of death to the flesh, so very painful on one hand, yet the price of entrance into His presence. If I am to know the soaring mysteries of His presence, fullness of Joy, then I must come to the place of sacrifice and death. The deeper the work of the cross in my life, the greater the revelation of Jesus. Just as those who are forgiven much love much, then those who come to the cross and dare to dwell there as long as it takes , then they will live much when they arise.May the Lord grant us the grace to continually come to the place of entrance into His presence.

As we glorify the Lord and come into His presence, then we are changed in that very presence. Being changed is a byproduct of being in His presence. Glorifying the Lord is a primary purpose in our lives, yet, so is becoming Christlike. It is all intricately interconnected.

None of it happens in a vacuum. And just as an aside, becoming Christlike is not self-fulfilling, it is self dying. In the natural, one would never seek to be Christlike. One only has to read Matt 5 and the sermon on the mount to know that being able to fulfill this is supernatural. If we become more Christlike then we turn the other cheek when we are slapped, not very self fulfilling. If we become more Christlike and we are hated by our enemies then we return love, again not fulfilling to the flesh.

It is in His presence that we learn to yield and to surrender to His will which ultimately defeats the flesh And, while there is much emotion in true and genuine worship, there is no hype. Entering into Christ’s presence, one has to first past the brazen alter, this is where we sacrifice. This ensures that all “self-fulfilling” worshippers can never enter in. Will you sacrifice to enter in? Will you come and dwell at the foot of the cross so that you may arise from that place and live the victorious Christian life?

In the last 2000 years, the Christian community has been through cycle after cycle. We go from walking in His presence in humility and grace, to walking in  pride and ego,  to fearing man and then to captivity. Then we are humbled, the Lord’s love for His children is confirmed in His bringing us back, forgiving us and restoring us to His presence. We , as a community, have been in Babylon now for a generation or two.

Now He is ready to bring us out, back to the Temple, where He will pour out His shekinah(the Lords presence made visible) glory on His people. His people will realize once again that all that matters is that we come into His presence. And in His presence we will discover fullness of Joy.

Every problem will melt like wax in the presence of the Lord. Its not that we will be problem free, its that our problems will pale in comparison to His presence, as Paul would say “Our light and momentary afflictions,” will seem very small as we move in the vision of the eternal. The Church is only effective in relation to its perception of God. We , as a community in general, have been worshipping a weak and anemic God.

Yet just one-second in His manifest presence blows that perception out of the water, that is why this coming move, this Reformation, is a reformation or our very walk with Him. Ego’s will have no place in this new move. There will be no powerful personalities in this new move, there will just be servants who the Lord will use to usher His people into His presence and in His presence we will only be conscious of Him and Him alone. And when we come out of that presence and go back into the world then we will glow, just as Moses did glow and the people who dwell in the darkness of this world will see a city set on a hill and they will be drawn to that, the light of Christ, the light of the world.

5 Responses to “The Vastness of God and how He can be Known”

  1. faithwalk said

    Frank, I identify with what you write on so many levels for like you, this world no longer holds anything that I desire save to love our Saviour, to dwell in His presence and move with His Spirit…
    to know and love Him as I am known and loved!

    Your heart for Christ and grasp of what this journey here is all about touches my heart and resonates within my spirit. Your sense of what is to come is what we sense as well. The coming move will be as you have written and sadly may find it’s greatest opposition coming from what calls itself the church.
    May the Lord help us and grant us the fullness of His Spirit of grace, love and truth. May we become the expression of His Life we were created to be as His power dwells in us, transforms us, enables us to yield our all to Him. May we ever be living sacrifices unto our God and King; pliable, teachable, useful in His mighty hands.
    He who has called us is Faithful and True, what He has spoken will come to pass.
    The gates of hell cannot and will not triumph over the church of Jesus Christ.

    But what she looks like at His return may be quite different than our present day structures…

    Then again our job isn’t to worry about that for when believers come into His presence the brightness of His glory and love will burn away the dross. I ramble now so will cease writing, but thank you for sharing your heart and vision.

    May you be blessed today and filled with the joy of His Life!


  2. appolus said

    Hi Susan….thanks for dropping by. If what you write is rambling, then all I can say is “ramble on sister.” I think what we feel and write about is commmon to all who have experienced His presence. In this life it is double edged. Its hard to live on when one has experienced a small portion of eternity. Yet I think brother Paul had the same problem, given the choice he would rather go home, but if God had a use for him here then here he would stay, that the will of the Lord may be done. May the will of the Lord be done………Frank

  3. I have found your article most helpful. please do write me and brief me more.

    • appolus said

      Hi Edward, there is no secret to giving your all for the Lord and seeking HIm with your whole heart. It all sounds quite wonderful and very respectfully religious, but the living and working this out leads to a brutal experience where everything in your life will be tested in the fires of trials and tribulations to see if you truly want to serve Him with your whole heart, holding nothing back. It is in the midst of the deepest valleys, that we experience the greatest light……….. bro Frank

  4. linda rascon said

    I love it everything that you said his very true I desire thepresence of the living God amen hallelujah thank you Jesus

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